Do people like communism?
Jun 17
Interesting article: Why do people vote for communists?
The author is definitely biased, but it’s still a good read. I disagree with his fundamental hypothesis that people like communism because of fear of the responsibility required in a free society. I think it has more to do with the (promised) ideal that every one becomes equal, etc. Not saying anyone fulfilled this promise, though.
I’ve mentioned this before, but I also disagree with his assertion that communism is equal to totalitarianism. While I don’t think communism as it has been implemented so far has been a good thing, I can’t discount the possibility that a communist economic structure coupled with a democratic government wouldn’t be bad. What we’ve seen good evidence of so far is that Stalinism failed.
Could a communist structure with an elected government work? I don’t know. Obviously it would be hard, but if it were possible I think in general we’d be in a better position. This all supposes that people can get rid of their driving tendency towards greed. Is there any evidence to support this? Well, Cuba is an example of “something”, although it’s admittedly fuzzy. Cuba is doing fairly well under the circumstances, under a complete embargo from it’s large neighbour. Cuba does have a dictator, although obviously a much more benevolent one that Stalin. From my limited experience there people seem generally happy although obviously there’s a section of the population that craves the expensive material things available in the US. I didn’t meet anyone like this, but not sure what the ratio is.
Am I trying to use Cuba an an example of a “working” communist state? No, just a data point of one that is working better than Russia. It would be interesting to see what would happen if Cuba moved towards an elected government once Castro dies.
But the model shown by most of Europe with free markets and heavily socialist principles is probably the best answer for now.
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Jun 17, 2005 @ 10:04:16
The Earth has never seen a true form of Communism so I am not sure how anyone can claim that it does or does not work. Soviet Russia was not communist… ever. The true essence of a communist society is to free the people from the choke of government. I admire the ideals of communism but I don’t think it can work in this time frame without extensive modifications. I also don’t agree with the writes take on responsibility in society.
Jun 17, 2005 @ 17:48:08
“But the model shown by most of Europe with free markets and heavily socialist principles is probably the best answer for now.”
Aren’t “free markets” and “heavily socialist principles” diametrically opposing ideals? The European socialistic countries, by nature, are heavily economically coercive, which as far as I know is anathema to just about anyone’s definition of a free market.
Jun 17, 2005 @ 18:13:25
As opposed to the “free markets” in the US? Have you seen how much regulation there is on US business and markets? If you compared the sheer number of regulations with most European countries I wouldn’t be suprised if there are more in the US.
How do Anti-Trust laws result in a free market? What about advertising restrictions? What about increasing copyright lengths? SEC laws? Minimum wage? Stock transaction retrictions? Government subsidies and incentives? Import/export restrictions? These are all things the US does a lot of.
My point is that I’m fine with labelling European countries as “economically coercive” as long as you put the US in there too.
Jun 18, 2005 @ 09:09:15
The U.S. markets definitely are not free either.
They’re probably relatively free compared with most European countries, especially once you tack on EU market regulations to national market regulations in each European country, but you’re absolutely right – anti-trust laws, advertising restrictions, minimum wage, government subsidies, trade protectionism… these are all barriers to a truly free market without which, in my opinion, the U.S. would be better off.
(On the other hand, though, I would argue that strengthened copyright law is more a protection OF the free market of intellectual property – in the same way that retail security guards are protectors of free markets of more tangible goods.)
Not that this has anything to do with communism, after all…
Jun 19, 2005 @ 05:25:51
With more than 100-million people murdered at the hands of Communists, why is this still a topic of conversation? Even if Communism hadn’t failed spectacularly every time it has been tried, it is quite clearly one of the worst forces of evil ever to be unleashed on the world.
Jun 19, 2005 @ 14:46:34
Well, Lone Ranger, you clearly don’t know your history and have fallen for all the propaghanda over the years.
Again, I’m not saying I like Communism, but your statement that 100 million people have been killed by it is both irrelevant and misguided. How many people have been killed by Democracies? How many people have been killed by the US? You really don’t want to get into that debate or your “100 million” number is going to start looking awfully small.
And yes, I know, you’re going to reply with some comment about how Democracies kill people for different reasons and with different methods as opposed to what Stalin did. I don’t care one bit. Somehow labelling the murder of innocent civilians as a “war” makes the people in Democracies feel so much better. So whether it’s Saddam gassing his own people or the US dropping napalm into crowded civilian areas of Japanese cities, it’s all the same thing. Democracies are just better at marketing.
Dec 07, 2007 @ 23:55:27
I think communism and a democracy kind of already takes place in the states – not direct communism, but there are certain aspects that are “unified” like communism… The police force, firefighters, libraries, the US post office. I’m not saying that they ARE communists, but some of the major principals apply; it’s not like you get an insurance plan for the library, you can check books in and out for free and the government pays them (the librarians) for their work. Same as the post office – I can ship most packages for cheap, and I’m not looking for “postal plans” like I would an HMO when going… I can just choose a shipment, depending on how fast I want my package to be there, and they just take my money and do it. They don’t get my money, but the government pays them.
May 14, 2008 @ 01:00:21
i want to know if they like it or not!